Disciplining Children

It’s been many years since I was spanked, but I remember the experience quite clearly.  First, my mother would warn us when we were close to getting in trouble when we were about to cross the line.  And, nine times out of ten, we’d not only cross the line, we’d jump over it and go sprinting away from it.  Once that happened, there was only one thing left for my mom to say:  ”Just wait until your father gets home!”

That usually did the trick.  I think that was most of the punishment in itself, the waiting, the wondering, the fear.  We knew what was in store, the humiliating walk to the bedroom, the look on our dad’s face as he brought out the Belt (with a capital B), and finally the bending over the bed to take our punishment.  We usually made a vain attempt to cover our vulnerable backside with our hands, but with little effect.  Then finally, mercifully, the swat would come.  It was never that painful nor was it long or drawn out.  A simple tap with the Belt and our punishment had been given.  Our parents would send us on our way until the next time we pushed the limits.

By the time my sister (who is 11 years younger than me) came along, she had never even heard of the Belt.  When I told her about it, she thought it was funny because her experience was so vastly different.  She grew up in the era of “time outs.”  Whenever she misbehaved, she was sent to the designated spot for an amount of time that was determined by the particular offense.  Not once did she have to bend over the bed or make the dreaded walk of shame.

These two approaches are quite different from each other.  Not only that, it’s been a long time since either me or my sister have been punished by our parents so I’m a little out of touch.  Do people still use time outs or are they considered passe?  Is Child Services called when a neighbor witnesses a child being spanked?  Are children disciplined at all or do parents merely try to reason with them?

I know (at least I hope) that the need to discipline our son is in the not too distant future.  But as much as I’d like to think he will never be disobedient or act out, I know that there will most likely come a time when I will need to act accordingly.  I will need to teach him what is appropriate behavior and that he should follow established rules and guidelines that have been put into place for his own good.

The problem is, I have no idea how.

So I’m curious:  How do you discipline your children?  Did you decide based on research, previous experience, or simply what works best for you?  I’d love to hear your thoughts…

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Heather @Critter Chronicles - April 22, 2010 - 9:54 pm

We do time-outs with our kids. We started using this method with both around age 2, when they were old enough to understand the concept of misbehavior = punishment. Our daughter never really physically acted out, but my son does so his hands and feet sometimes find themselves in time-out for hitting or kicking. Our time-outs are always begun with getting down at the kid’s level, looking them in the eye, and telling them exactly why they’re there and why it isn’t appropriate. Then when their time is up (we do one minute per year of age) they have to tell us why they were in time-out, apologize, give us a hug and kiss, and then apologize to another person (if it involved someone else) and/or clean up their mess.

When my daughter turned 5 we started using consequences, and that works much more effectively than time-outs for her at this age. We have pre-established consequences that she has helped us to determine, and when she violates a rule she knows ahead of time what would happen. It’s curbed a lot of unwanted behavior.

Mostly, though, my husband and I subscribe to the philosophy that children need constant discipline and to be shown proper behavior in order to know what “right” looks like. We spend a lot of time teaching and showing them how TO behave, rather than simply correcting unwanted behavior. And we started early, from as soon as they were mobile and showed signs of understanding us when we talked.
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Lucy - April 23, 2010 - 1:24 am

Well, I don’t have any children yet, but my fiance and I have definitely discussed this on several occasions and debated whether or not spanking is ok. I was raised without any sort of structured discipline system. I’d usually just get yelled at if I ever got into trouble, and I don’t recall it being very effective or even fitting of any trouble I had gotten into.

My fiance, on the other hand, was spanked. Initially, I disagreed with his choice to take this discipline approach with our future children but after discussing it I changed my mind. When he misbehaved as a child, his parents used something similar to a belt (sorry, I can’t remember the name, but I’ve seen it and it’s not too much different) to spank them, but they didn’t do it immediately after the incident. They would tell him that he had to go to his room and think about what he had done, and that they would be up in a bit. Then, he’d have to sit there, as you said, in fear, waiting and waiting. This is probably the REAL punishment- the waiting. Then one of his parents would come up and do the spanking, but they were calmed down by then. They weren’t spanking out of anger.

I know there are parents who discipline their children by spanking out of frustration and anger, who do not use it as a discipline tool but more as a release. I think this is where the spanking’s bad rap comes from.

In the end, of course, it all comes down to whatever you and your husband decide is the most effective disciplinary tool for your child.

Heather - April 23, 2010 - 1:39 am

Okay, I don’t have kids yet, but here’s what I’ve learned when I worked in Child & Adolescent Psych for a few years.
-yes, there are people who will call child protective services if they find out you spanked your child. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, or that I would make the call, but these days, there are many people who would make that call. All teachers and healthcare workers are mandated reporters, and a mandated reporter is required to report any SUSPICION of abuse- they do not talk with the parents about whether it is factual, gather evidence, or do an investigation- CPS does all of this. But if a 5-yr old doesn’t properly spell out why they were spanked/what happened, this can be enough to raise Suspicion, at which time the teacher or health care worker is required to report it- they do not have a choice in making the report, & would be breaking the law if they didn’t make a report. Also, most experts differentiate between punishment and discipline, where punishment has a feel of the parent retaliating against the individual, while discipline is focused on teaching a lesson and giving consequences that the child can understand. Many experts consider spanking to be punishment and not discipline.
2)for minor bouts of bad behavior, a warning followed by a pre-determined consequence works well. The pre-determined part of the consequences is key, because it (along with consistency) allows children to know what to expect before they continue their negative behaviors. For larger episodes of bad behavior, the consequences should fit the crime. The more the consequences are developed together with the child, the more the parent & child are communicating about why the child displayed that behavior & what they can do differently next time- and this conversation is really one of the key things when kids have calmed down & you can reason with them.
3)One of the things my fiance’s mom always says is “Catch them being good.” Even at a few months old, babies start manipulating their behavior to get your attention. They may cry every time you set them down, or every time you go to put them to bed. Many of the negative behaviors children display in their first few years are really about this power struggle for your attention. If you get mad at their negative behavior, then they get exactly what they wanted- your attention. The goal is that you use your attention as positive reinforcement for good behaviors, and you ensure their safety & that they are not destroying anything and then minimize your attention (ie extra conversation & displays of emotion) when they show bad behaviors.

But the most important thing is not what approach you take to discipline, but that you use the approach consistently, and that the approach you choose is focused on teaching your child, not on communicating your emotions & frustration about their behavior.

Julie - April 23, 2010 - 3:52 am

I have no children yet but I believe in both. As horrible as this sounds, some of my work children would benefit from a spanking or two at home. When sitting them down for time outs doesn’t work (one of them just gets up, laughs, and runs around multiple times), I think parents need to spank at home. There is also a huge difference between spanking and child abuse. Even Child Protective Service knows that (at least in Maine. We actually have a legal definition for it). Can’t live your life in fear of what the neighbors will say/do. You have the right to discipline your child in the way you feel fit as long as it isn’t abuse. Spanking didn’t work on me but it did my sister. Each kid is so different.

When a child tries to run in the street or touch a hot stove, a spanking is going to hurt a whole lot less then getting hit by a car or burned on the stove. We were spanked as younger kids but never with an object. It was always an open hand on the bottom (or a swat on the hand if we were trying to touch something we weren’t suppose to) and it never hurt for more than a couple minutes. When we got older than 6 or so we were have “family meetings” (child in trouble plus mom and dad) where we would discuss what we did and what the punishment would be. By then it was either had to miss favorite TV show for a week, do extra chores, etc.
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Kristy - April 23, 2010 - 5:03 am

We use a lot of different methods, depending on the infraction. My favorite is a punishment that fits the crime–for example if you spit, you have to clean the entire floor. We use time outs quite a bit. We modified it for our 4 year old because it wasn’t doing any good, so she has to stand at the wall not sit somewhere–she hates it.

We do believe that spanking has it’s place. I was spanked often, my husband was only spanked twice growing up. We try to be sure that we don’t do it on first impulse and that it truly fits the crime–something that will cause harm to themselves or others (running into the street after being called back, jumping on her sister, and the like). In those instances, we feel that it is important that children learn quickly and a bit of fear is a good thing. I’d much rather my kids be afraid of running off than hit by a car. I will say that I have two very strong willed little girls, and we did not intend to spank when they first came along, but we went through a book, “The Strong Willed Child” and a class on parenting at church and we have found it to be effective.

It is very much wrapped up in your child’s personality to know what will be a good deterrent for him. Perhaps a loss of privileges will be best or he may be such an angelic little fellow a stern look maybe all he ever needs.
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Joanna - April 23, 2010 - 5:36 am

I agree with Kristy. It totally depends on your child. Growing up, you could spank me ten times in a day and it didn’t stop me from something I wanted to do, but take away my allowance and I was toeing the line! Money was a HUGE motivator for me. My brother, on the other hand, let money flow through his fingers like water. He spent it on anything and everyone so money never held any importance to him and wasn’t a good discipline tool. However, he is extremely social so the threat of a period of time in his room, alone, was a very effective deterrent to him.

I have read both Love & Logic by Foster Cline and Parenting Power by John Rosemund and found excellent suggestions in both. What I really took away from both books that I really love is the idea of letting natural consequences do the punishing for you. Obviously, not in Kristy’s example of running into the street, but when Julia wants to wear her princess dress with no clothes underneath and it’s cold out, I don’t spend time fighting with her over it. I just tell her once that it is cold outside and she might want to make a different choice, but if she chooses to wear the dress, I let her get cold. When she complains about being cold, we talk about why and what choice she could have made, but not overly preachy and not over and over. The children are responsible for their own actions.
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Mindee@ourfrontdoor - April 23, 2010 - 5:41 am

I will echo the “every kid is different” refrain. Spanking worked great on a couple of my kids. I had one that you just had to look at and they would burst into tears. I haven’t found time outs effective as a discipline tool after the fact, but they are great for heading off bad behavior when you see your child getting wound up.
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ughsome - April 23, 2010 - 12:08 pm

hmm. i don’t have any yet but i think the ‘setting boundaries’ sort of thing would probably be the approach i’m most comfortable with. probably no spanking (but then that’s me saying this NOW with all the advantage of before-the-event-smugness)!
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Sabrina - April 23, 2010 - 1:00 pm

We did both, timeout and spanking(sparingly). My kids were very different personality wise so we just adjusted to what worked best for each accordingly. With my son, a raised voice and he knew he was in trouble because we never got loud over little things.

My neice was yelled at alot and totally ignored it. They are 6 months apart and when my brother or his wife would yell at her, my son would boo hoo because he thought he was in big trouble and she’d just keep doing what she was doing and look at them like they were crazy.(and him too!) LOL

As they have gotten older, taking things away like video games, cell phones and laptops works very well. :-)

Jefferson Thompson - April 23, 2010 - 3:08 pm

I think that both methods are still being used. I know that I grew up with a spanking being the normal punishment. Once I got older, then my parents started taking away privileges. Believe me, being “grounded” was much worse to a teenager than a spanking.
I know most parents in my area now use the timeout method. You very seldom hear of anyone being spanked. Jennifer, my significant other, never spanked her kids. She is a Social Worker and does not think a child should ever be spanked. The school system here teaches our children to call Social Services if they are spanked.
I wonder what the proper method is. I know we never heard of the violence in the schools or drugs in my day as we do now. Is it a lack of discipline or something else? I think you will have to figure out what works best for you and your child. The best recommendation I can give you is show love and consistency in the rules. Children need to know where the lines are and that they are loved.

Genevieve - April 23, 2010 - 4:32 pm

I try and think about the issue at hand and then fit the consequence to it. Here is an example. I couldn’t get A to eat his dinner. So I set the timer for 5 minutes and told him if he didn’t finish the food on his plate in that time I would ADD food to his plate and reset the timer for another 5. If he then didn’t finish it I’d add again and reset the timer.

It only took one time of adding food before he finished his dinner in under a minute. :-) (I did this when he wouldn’t eat more then 3 bites. Not good for sleeping through the night or a happy child).

I’ve also heard and tried the “horse” technique. If a foal is mis- behaving the Mom will chase him away from the herd. She won’t let him back until he behaves and has been away for long enough that he understands he needs to change that behavior. That’s worked for us too. Kids don’t like to be away from the action. At least mine don’t.

Can’t wait to see you in action!

Frenchy - April 24, 2010 - 10:22 am

Hello girlfriend. I talked about my time out chair on my blog yesterday and i swear i did not copy you. I never do that. I never copy. I plan all my post and it take me for ever to have it all up and plan it :) LOL. I am all for time outs. It is a lot of work but it works. Spanking just teaches to hit when you are Mad. Also in this country it is a felony to hit anyone so it is so irrelevant to even spank to start. We have to follow The laws of our Country :)
Gros bisous
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Kristy - April 24, 2010 - 11:35 am

I agree that it depends on the child but I think the large majority need the physical punishment, at least when they are young. Most younger children do not understand time out, & in reality, it is usually more punishment for the parent than the child to make sure their child stays in time out. My parents never grounded us because they had seen their other friends us it & it rarely had any affect on the kid’s actions. In fact, it usually gave the kid time, in his/her anger, to continue to simmer & plan out how they would rebel next time or how not to get caught next time. With the physical punishment, the pain is there for a moment, the child remembers it but it soon fades & the kid is off again. I do know there is a time where corporal punishment may no longer be effective. By that time, most kids understand the pain of disappointment. Then, just the comment from a parent that he/she is disappointed in their child is worse than the physical punishment. However, depending on the situation, it may in many cases be appropriate to use both physical punishment & grounding/time out together. Just my thoughts. :)
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Jill - April 24, 2010 - 7:04 pm

Oh, how I dread this day. I am not sure how I feel or what I will do. At times I’ve thought, “don’t spank because it teaches children that it is okay to hit.” However, I received spankings, as did my husband, and both of us turned out okay. Of course, I don’t even like to swat my dogs on the nose…

Alisa - April 25, 2010 - 6:46 am

I totally agree with Kristy. Also, intuitively, it does seem like spanking WOULD teach kids that it’s okay to hit, but in reality it just doesn’t work that way. It just doesn’t.

I teach Kindergarten and am feeling more and more that time-outs just aren’t effective. What’s more effective is to “catch them being good” like someone else said and to praise them for it! They love to feel like their teacher (and Mom, I’m sure) is proud of them.

Taylor - April 25, 2010 - 9:26 pm

I am reading a book called Shepherding a Child’s Heart and I am liking it.
I am working on my kids knowing and understand God’s plan for them and right from wrong.

Parenting is certainly hard. And each child is different. You think you have it figured out with one, and then the next one comes and throw you for a loop. :)
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Tiffany - April 28, 2010 - 3:52 pm

Time outs, however they are a bit different. We don’t have the child completely separate from the rest of the household. They can sit in one spot in the living room or anywhere. And they don’t have to be miserable in the time out. Meaning, we don’t require that they just sit, they can read, hold a toy, etc. Often my daughter would do a time out in our craft closet, with the door wide open and start working on a project in there during her time out. Sometimes she’d write us notes to get her feelings out. We try to represent the time out as a cooling off period. Kids get overwhelmed and angry and so do adults and time outs are good for a cooling down period, so you can come back to the situation, make amends with the person you hurt or offended, etc. It’s seems to have worked really well. Also, I think the most important part of the time out is when it’s over. After they’ve made amends we give sincere hugs and the problem is completely over. We don’t remind them of it, or give them stern looks. It’s done. This is so they know we love them no matter what, unconditionally. My 6 1/2 year old has become what her 1st grade teacher calls, a role model for the other kids. She rarely ever gets time outs now. In fact, I don’t remember her having time out in the last year. My three year old gets time outs very seldom. Sometimes, just talking about the problem works and making sure each kid makes amends with the person they fought with. And solving the problem together. Conflicts will always be a part of life but I feel that encouraging problem solving and working to find a solution is a positive way for them to feel better and take responsibility for what they’ve done.

Aubrey - April 30, 2010 - 8:21 am

My baby is just a little younger than yours, but i’ve also been doing some thinking about punishment. I was given a book called “Don’t make me count to three” by ginger plowman, which I’ve started and it seems really great. It is more about the heart issue and teaching children to be loving. Anyway… just thought I’d leave a recommendation. i’ve also heard really good things about “shepherding a child’s heart.”

diana - May 1, 2010 - 8:59 am

My kids are 11, 9 and 2 and 2 1/2. As some of the mommies here said, the disciplining evolved with age. For the younger it’s a mix of gentle teaching; I find it so much more productive to explain the wrong and show how it shold have been done right. Of course there is A LOT of work involved, and of course she sometimes ends in time-out. But 90% of the time she responds beautifully to kindness.

For the boys it’s mainly reward and withdraw of privileges. But, of course, I always talk a lot with them about every little part of their manners, behaviour, gentleness..

yeah, I adore them.

mitzi - May 3, 2010 - 7:45 am

The best child raising book I ever read was How to Generate Values in Young Children by Sue Riley. It is available from Amazon. I used it from toddler to teen age. Love the child, respect the child, let them learn from consequences. My oldest had ADD of epic proportions. We would sometimes send him to his room for “attitude reajustment” he could come down whenever he felt calm. We also used a mini tramploline to burn up the excess energy if he couldn’t go outside. As my dad said, ” you could beat that child to death and it wouldn’t change his behavior”. Spanking was useless for him, reasoning and consequences worked. Loved the comments about ‘catching them being good’ and teaching them how to behave instead of just punishing bad behavior.
I’ve been unable to get good internet connections for a while. Just wanted to say Congratulations on Henry’s birth. He is a lovely little guy.

admin - May 13, 2010 - 7:13 am

As always – great suggestions and advice! Plus I just enjoyed reading your experiences, it’s very interesting to hear what other people grew up with and what they’re comfortable implementing with their own children. I think we have a plan for what to use and hopefully it will work!

Steph - July 24, 2010 - 11:45 pm

I haven’t read all the comments here but I have to say I am completely against spanking… Why on earth would you want to harm your child? Not to mention that you are teaching your child violence is acceptable by your actions.. I have worked in several childcare settings and I have always found that children that are spanked at home are physical with other children when they are upset.

Honestly, I think it’s disgusting and child services should be called.

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